Chris Webb

How to avoid locking topics because of topic drift

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I'm as guilty as the next person for starting topics with cute titles but it really does cause problems at times when folks go into threads thinking the topic is different than what the topic starter has actually intended.

My suggestion, for the good of us all, is to continue to use cute and imaginative topic titles if we want to, but to also include an easy to understand topic description ... this would go a long way towards keeping topics, errr, on topic.

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

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I'm as guilty as the next person for starting topics with cute titles but it really does cause problems at times when folks go into threads thinking the topic is different than what the topic starter has actually intended.

My suggestion, for the good of us all, is to continue to use cute and imaginative topic titles if we want to, but to also include an easy to understand topic description ... this would go a long way towards keeping topics, errr, on topic.

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

Yes, good idea. We can also take the time to read through the thread and see what others are saying.

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Yes, good idea. We can also take the time to read through the thread and see what others are saying.

Yes, we can, but many of us don't have the time to read through all the posts, and given that the posts drift off topic you have to be smarter than me to go through two or three pages of them and still be able to know for sure what the topic really is. Admittedly, I'm not that smart. :confused:

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

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Don't have time to read through all the posts????

At least read the original post....???

That's what this board is all about...getting info/feedback/fellowship from peers.

If a person is not interested in anyone else's posts that says a LOT about why they're on the board.

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Don't have time to read through all the posts????

At least read the original post....???

That's what this board is all about...getting info/feedback/fellowship from peers.

If a person is not interested in anyone else's posts that says a LOT about why they're on the board.

:ditto:

Sometimes the threads would not be as long as they are if posters would read what others have already said.

I agree with Chris. The topic title needs to be a clear description of the subject. Sometimes I don't even open a thread because the topic title isn't clear. For me, when I hit "View New Posts" and the list is long, the less I will actually open and read. So keep the description clear.

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Don't have time to read through all the posts????

At least read the original post....???

That's what this board is all about...getting info/feedback/fellowship from peers.

If a person is not interested in anyone else's posts that says a LOT about why they're on the board.

Really, what does it say? :P

If this board is all about getting info/feedback/fellowship from peers then the mission of the board would be best served by folks making the topic of a thread clear by using the description box effectively. With limited cyber time many of us count on clear topics and topic descriptions to pick which threads we are going to open, and when we do open them we are counting on the topic and description to jell with the first post. When the association between the first post and the topic and description isn't clear then the door is wide open for posts that follow to be variants on the topic as it is stated.

If the topic and topic description are accurate then anyone can go to the last post and pitch right in, on topic to boot, assuming others before him have not already drifted off topic to the point that the thread is no longer on topic itself. It's not necessarily uncaring of what others have already said, it's often simply a matter of wanting to express your own views on the topic at hand with what little time you've got to do it ... I certainly don't think everyone reads all of my posts and I would be arrogant to think everyone should ... who here really believes that everything they write should be read by everybody?

Riverkilt, if you read every post in every thread then I salute you ... but to use your own words to me in another thread, get a life! :lol: My life, particularly during the construction season, encroaches heavily on my cyber life, so I'll not likely ever be the brother here that many of our brothers and sisters are, but if anyone looks at the numbers there are far more here like me than like them ... the topic description is very helpful for the most of us, which is reason enough for all of us to make better use of them, it's just a simple fact, no matter who says it.

Spartan, I do basically the same thing you do, you terrible, terrible brother you! ;)

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

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Huh??

Its simple...read the first post - if you wanna say anything about it post to that post if you don't have time to read the other posts.

How you went so far off topic on the "Huh" thread is beyond me...just sounds like you're trying to blame the original poster for your drift off his topic. Your post was a wild tangent unrelated to his. Scolding him for "Poor Topic Choice" isn't an excuse to go tangential.

You've twice the posts on this board as I....so the last jab has no meat.

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Huh??

Its simple...read the first post - if you wanna say anything about it post to that post if you don't have time to read the other posts.

How you went so far off topic on the "Huh" thread is beyond me...just sounds like you're trying to blame the original poster for your drift off his topic. Your post was a wild tangent unrelated to his. Scolding him for "Poor Topic Choice" isn't an excuse to go tangential.

You've twice the posts on this board as I....so the last jab has no meat.

That's a good idea, RK. But what jab, I don't see it? If it's the 'get a life' poke then you need to laugh it off, you said the same thing to me twice in one post! You did see the laughing emoticon, I hope. Here it is again, if you missed it. :lol:

As for IE's thread, that you brought up, you really do assume alot. Yes, my experience in IE's thread did motivate me to consider ways to avoid such problems in the future, why wouldn't it. But if you'd like to chastise me again, and again, about what happened there then go ahead and post about it again here in this thread too, knock yourself out! I hadn't even mentioned IE or his thread so how am I scolding him ... I screwed up his thread, I've already admitted it and taken responsibility for it in HIS thread ... what more do you want?

If you'd like to discuss my premise, that it is best for us all to make effective use of the topic description box, then I'm all ears, otherwise our personal issues with each other are, ironically, gonna get this thread locked ... is that what you want? It's not what I want. If we need to 'talk' then let's do it in PM mode.

For the first time I fully understand why some folks inject pure humor in the middle of serious threads ... this thread could use some right now! :(

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

Edit: It was Cactus Jack's thread, not IE's thread ... Riverkilt knows very well which thread I was referring to.

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I take another slant about it....... If you don't want to take the time to read the entire thread and fully inform yourself about the topic then please don't make a post.

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Boy...talk about drift....no cue what the IE thread is you mention.

My point is about Cactus Jack's thread initial post about Prince Albert jackets and Prince Albert Jewelry on June 9th. Two days later out of the blue you posted to that thread about your "problems" with another kilt board you are not even a member of.

Two days after it was pointed out on that thread that you were WAY off topic you initiate this thread. To me, the implication is that somehow it is Cactus Jack's fault that you posted WAY off topic because he didn't write the subject line correctly - when in fact, whether or not you did read his initial post or the follow up posts, it was YOUR decision to post way off topic.

It ain't lost on the world that Cactus Jack happens to be a member of the other kilt board you have an issue with.

All the other smoke and mirrors you're posting is just that. Why not own YOUR decision to take the tread to a totally unrelated place instead of starting another thread blaming the person who started the tread who had no clue at the time that two days later you'd take his tread off topic?

The concept of posting an accurate subject line is sound. The concept of posting an accurate subject line so YOU don't have to bother reading the initial posts or subsequent posts is absurd.

Sorry, I have no interest in PMing you at this point.

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Boy...talk about drift....no cue what the IE thread is you mention.

My point is about Cactus Jack's thread initial post about Prince Albert jackets and Prince Albert Jewelry on June 9th. Two days later out of the blue you posted to that thread about your "problems" with another kilt board you are not even a member of.

Two days after it was pointed out on that thread that you were WAY off topic you initiate this thread. To me, the implication is that somehow it is Cactus Jack's fault that you posted WAY off topic because he didn't write the subject line correctly - when in fact, whether or not you did read his initial post or the follow up posts, it was YOUR decision to post way off topic.

It ain't lost on the world that Cactus Jack happens to be a member of the other kilt board you have an issue with.

All the other smoke and mirrors you're posting is just that. Why not own YOUR decision to take the tread to a totally unrelated place instead of starting another thread blaming the person who started the tread who had no clue at the time that two days later you'd take his tread off topic?

The concept of posting an accurate subject line is sound. The concept of posting an accurate subject line so YOU don't have to bother reading the initial posts or subsequent posts is absurd.

Sorry, I have no interest in PMing you at this point.

Ohhhhh, I get it now ... this is all about Clan Ootland to you. Sorry, RK, but I don't have a list of who is in Clan Ootland and had no idea Cactus Jack was in it. Tell me, I gotta know, are you in Clan Ootland? Is your mind trip into my thread some sort of punishment for me articulating the concerns of, how did ButlerGal put it, the 5 members of the BotK who are obsessed with Clan Ootland? Brother, why did you bring this all back up, really?

Honestly, Riverkilt, where are you getting this stuff ... is it all in your head or are you discussing it with others and presenting it here? Are you just trying to get me in trouble, baiting me into some sort of trap to get me to re-upset the powers that be. One of the Mods, I don't remember which one, wrote a one post thread and put the whole Clan Ootland thang to bed, that's where it should stay as far as I'm concerned. I respect their decision, you should to.

I'm not sure what is going on here, if anything at all, but it's all getting a bit too weird for me. Riverkilt, stop harassing me, stop trying to explain what you think is going on in my head as if you could possibly know, stop bringing up settled issues, stop trying to get me to run afoul of the Mods. I don't know who you are, but you are clearly not who I thought you were. Our feelings about PMing are mutual, I'm afraid I have no interest in PMing you either.

My point about the effective use of the topic boxes has been made, some other good ideas about how to avoid topic related misunderstandings have also been made, if anyone has anything to add that is on topic please feel free to post it, but if you want to rehash the 'What makes you say huh' thread or anything about Clan Ootland you should be aware that both topics are locked and I will not be baited into discussing them any further out of respect for our Moderators, Clan Ootland and the BotK.

This is just all too weird, man, really weird.

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

EDIT: changed "stop stalking me" to "stop harassing me" ... Riverkilt is not a stalker, that was a bad choice of words.

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Now you insult both my intelligence and my cajones. I speak for myself - always.

I am a member of many kilt boards and owe allegiance to none.

Sorry, I don't believe you when you say you had no idea Cactus Jack is a member of Clan Ootland since that fact is written in his signature on this board.

I do believe that the reason you went tangential with Clan Ootland on his Prince Albert thread was because you well know he is a member of Clan Ootland.

Sorry about your paranoia. You may consider letting it go. Paranoia is most unbecoming to you sir.

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stop stalking me,

well aint that the pot calling the kettle black!!!

People dont come to this board to listen to petty BS and conspiracy theories. I only get to check in on rare occations now and this is the garbage that I see?

People need to get over the petty fights and rejoin the family of the brotherhood. This is about the love of kilts and friendships made why cant it be left as such!

All I have seen trying to catch up on this board is a game of while the cats away the mice will play.

Personally I would be ashamed. Is this how we spead the love of kilts to new people?

Food for thought!!!

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If you need me, I am going to be by the punch bowl.

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So . . .

We are no longer allowed to have threads stray?

When did that become a rule?

It isn't one I know of.

Rules: http://www.kiltsrock.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules

Summary:

so, in a nutshell:

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no posting private messages.

no arguing with the mods

Above and beyond all else, you MUST respect the other posters here. Disagree all you want, but respect each other and be civil at ALL times. Heated conversation is fine, as long as it isn't a mud slinging match. Posting just to pick a fight has no place here.

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To avoid topic drift would take a lot of discipline on the part of everyone. Believe me I come from a large talkative family. Three conversations in the room at once, and everyone participating in all three. Drifting from one subject to another is very normal, even typical, human conversation. My cousins husband came from a family where they took turns talking one at a time passing it around the circle. He complained that by the time he thought of something to say everyone had moved on to something else. Good luck stopping the drift.

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So . . .

We are no longer allowed to have threads stray?

When did that become a rule?

It isn't one I know of.

Rules: http://www.kiltsrock.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules

Summary:

Thanks, TJ, you are absolutely right, but God help you if you accidentally take a topic title at face value and miss the point of the thread. :lol:

CA's got a good point as well ... topic drift is in no small part just the nature of human conversation.

I really don't think that it is critical to the success of a thread that it stay perfectly on topic, in fact some of the best threads seem to be those that evoke the most conversation, including the natural drift of that conversation. Still, I can't count how many times I've read posts about getting back on topic ... clearly there is some nebulous line between conversation drift that is acceptable and that which is not.

Clear thread titles and topic descriptions form a good benchmark for everyone in the thread, you know before you even open the thread what the main thrust of the conversation is going to be and even if it has drifted you at least know where it started drifting from.

Folks are free to use the title and description boxes any way they like, but I'll do my best to make good use of them.

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

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I take another slant about it....... If you don't want to take the time to read the entire thread and fully inform yourself about the topic then please don't make a post.

Once again, Jay's wisdom shines.

If a person isn't here to read posts and threads, then why feel compelled to post an opinion without reading others thoughts first or at least respect the first post regarding the topic?

Anyone can veer off topic, CA Beck is right, it's a hallmark of human nature, we digress.

Thought of the day: Not all members of Clan Ootland display the badge in their siggy here, MANY do not.

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Thought of the day: Not all members of Clan Ootland display the badge in their siggy here, MANY do not.

I don't understand the thought of the day, please clarify.

Kilt ON!

Chris Webb

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Not sure which part is confusing. :blink: You seemed to think the Oots are ID'd by the badge in their siggy. Only a few display the badge, most don't. I can't understand why anyone cares at all.

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To add to the topic shift, and to hopefully clarify who some people feel about the Ootland issue / subject. To be very very clear hear, yes I Was part of the early Ootland thread that got shut down. After that I no longer care. All I am doing is trying to clarify BulterGals thought on why does anybody care at all.

The BotK is a kind of family. We wear shirts, hats, pins and put stickers on things to display our part to this tribe. We TartanJack asked what was going on, it was because he was away for sometime and curious what it meant. Many of us who are not members were. People want to belong to things, its what we do. People got interested in the private group and (though they may not admit it) felt a pain of jealousy, I know I did. "Why was I not invited?" "What's wrong with me?" "I thought I was cool." "Why are they being snobbish?"

Those were the thoughts and questions I had, and (sorry for doing this CactusJack) I assume others were too.

The early replies to the Ootloand subject had a feeling of the cold shoulder, the feeling of the CIA man telling you it was only swamp gas. I felt slighted by the answers giving. Then we ALL were getting "angry". Thus there was a snowballing event that took place.

Now, I remind you, this Was how I felt. I decided to not care what you all do. Have as many separate clubs as you want. I am just trying to shed some light on the subject question that BulterGal brought up.

edit: proper word use.

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Not sure which part is confusing. :blink: You seemed to think the Oots are ID'd by the badge in their siggy. Only a few display the badge, most don't. I can't understand why anyone cares at all.

This thread was never intended by me to be about Clan Ootland, as the title and description clearly indicate. Honestly, your fellow Ootlanders are not doing much to improve the abiding concerns a few of us have about you by following me into my own thread to pound on me over a post I made, and already apologized for, somewhere else. I'm trying to respect the Mods, Clan Ootland and the peace of the BotK. I've tried to get my thread back on topic, but it seems the Ootlanders, yourself included, just can't let me do that.

I really do appreciate your contributions to my thread, but more and more I'm feeling like members of Clan Ootland are more concerned about me than my topic. If Clan Ootland doesn't want me talking about them then simply stop pointing out that you have some sort of problem with me. Leave me alone, I'll be happy to leave Clan Ootland alone. Thanks, again, for your very valid contributions regarding how to determine and stay on topic in threads, they were excellent. As for Clan Ootland, get off my back.

Respectfully,

Chris Webb

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Now, I remind you, this Was how I felt. I decided to not care what you all do. Have as many separate clubs as you want. I am just trying to shed some light on the subject that BulterGal brought up.

Once again, FACTUALLY incorrect, I did not bring it up, I never do. It is only important to a few people, as I keep referencing.

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Thanks, again, for your very valid contributions regarding how to determine and stay on topic in threads, they were excellent.

Welcome! :wavey:

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Not sure which part is confusing. :blink: You seemed to think the Oots are ID'd by the badge in their siggy. Only a few display the badge, most don't. I can't understand why anyone cares at all.

Once again, FACTUALLY incorrect, I did not bring it up, I never do. It is only important to a few people, as I keep referencing.

I was clarifying your statement of "I can't understand why anyone cares at all." So, factually correct, you did not bring it up, I should not have said the words "subject" in my post, I should have used the word "question".

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